What’s next with the French publishing house Dunod? Interview of Éric Pommat, Digital and Business Development Director

At the beginning of 2018, when we started our collaboration with the French publishing house Éditions Dunod, we had the chance to meet Éric Pommat, Digital and Business Development Director of the famous French publishing house to celebrate the beginning of our content partnership (to read this interview, it’s here).

After the co-edition of 4 courses, it was the right moment to see what had been done, to talk about the next steps and to see how we envision the follow-up of this insightful collaboration.

In 2018, learners discovered mindfulness at work, a meditation technique which fits very well in the corporate world to increase one’s energy levels and avoid stress-inducing “attention thieves”. Learners also developed their creativity with mind mapping, a mental mapping technique to leverage ideas, generate more ideas and become more creative at work. Do you sometimes feel non-productive at work? Our Learners discovered 9 tools to work efficiently, including the Eisenhower matrix and the Getting Things Done methodology. And finally, in 2018, our learners (re)discovered inbound marketing and growth hacking, those cost-effective, efficient and fast-to-implement marketing techniques. 4 new skills, between soft skills and toolboxes to feel better at work and work smarter, that pleased Coorpacademy’s learners in 2018 (and viewing numbers prove it!)

Here we are with Éric Pommat for a new interview, to discuss prospections for 2019.

Hello Éric, thanks for meeting us again. First of all, what did you think of the co-edition process with Coorpacademy? How the publishing house Dunod ensures the communication with content creators and Coorpacademy’s instructional designers for the course conception runs smoothly? 

The co-edition of the first 4 courses Dunod by Coorpacademy was flawless and efficient!

It’s important to note that Dunod is an atypical kind of partner for Coorpacademy. At the end of 2017, our publishing house – and it’s distinctive enough to highlight it – recruited its own team of instructional designers. Developing a new Digital Learning activity was indeed one of the major steps of our digital transformation.

Today, in addition to our legacy core work of publishing books, we want to put our editorial know-how, our pedagogical and digital expertise and the depth of content we have already to the benefit of companies and organisations. In order to advise them and to support them in their communication, custom edition and digital learning projects. Naturally, we’re on Datadock!

Those first courses have been created by our instructional designers, with experts on the topics and with the help of the instructional design team at Coorpacademy: everything was reunited to create engaging and attractive content for learners.

And a few months after our courses came out, the statistics speak for themselves: the Dunod by Coorpacademy courses are among the most played and appreciated on the Coorpacademy platforms.

How are topics selected for next courses?

We proceed in a “collective thinking way” by crossing propositions made by Dunod and Coorpacademy.

The Coorpacademy Team submits hot themes and topics among Coorpacademy’s customers or spots inspiring topics in the Dunod content catalogue.

On our side we use our editorial know-how, our experts network and our sales numbers to pick the most interesting and Coorpacademy-friendly matters.

After analyzing both insights, the collective intelligence of both teams then define the courses we’ll co-edit together!

What are the new courses to be released this year? 

In 2019, we’ll be working on soft skills with 4 new essential themes:

  • 1 hour to stop stressing and stay zen.
  • The best Lean tools for improving performance
  • Intrapreneurship and change makers
  • Learn how to learn

Are you noticing – in your day-to-day life – the importance soft skills are taking over hard skills?

Of course. The necessity to develop soft skills is becoming tangible everyday, in our jobs and day-to-day tasks. Sales techniques change, our readers’ ways of consuming content change, technology is becoming more and more important in our lives.

“…We’ve entered in the planned obsolescence of skills era (which have a life span between 6 months and 5 years)”  as Jérémy Lamri says it very well in its latest book 21st Century Skills: how to make a difference? “The skill to learn how to learn new skills become the central skill for someone, to allow that person to maintain his or her skills portfolio, to keep improving and to save his or her adaptability, meaning in the end his or her employability.”

It’s becoming obvious: uncertainty lies with the future of the job market, with the game-changing technological innovations or with jobs creation. How do Dunod publications adapt to this fast-changing environment?

We learn and we try to reinvent ourselves everyday, supported by our triple expertise (editorial, pedagogical and digital) and our content catalogue (7,000 books written by 5,500 experts, enriched with 365 new books every year, both digital and paper).

Let me show you a few examples.

At the end of 2016, facing the structural decrease of our specialized markets, we started a transformation by creating a general public department at Dunod.

In 2017, we started to work on the digital learning market, first with soft skills programme (Stress Management/Self-confidence, Management, Time Management) developed for a group of private universities, and then with Coorpacademy.

In 2018, we launched an innovative online training tools for infancy professionals with the Pros of Infancy.

In 2019, we just launched the Dunod Atelier, a new B2B service of custom edition.

What is your favorite course co-edited with Coorpacademy? And why?

Mindfulness at Work“, “Boost your Creativity with Mind-Mapping“, “Working efficiently: The 9 tools you need to know about“, “Inbound Marketing & Growth Hacking“, “1 hour to stop stressing and stay zen“, “The best Lean tools for improving performance”… and the list will grow bigger!

Each new course is our favorite. We are in a continuous improvement process, we learn and we do better each time. It’s very motivating. I can’t wait for the next course to come out!”

Exclusive interview with Eric Pommat, Director of Development at DUNOD

 

Coorpacademy has started a partnership with les Editions DUNOD.

The famous French publishing house of the Hachette Livre group is – among other things – the 1st business publisher in France.

With strong brands like Mercator, Strategor, Communicator and iconic collections such as La Boîte à outils, les 5 Clés or 2h chrono, DUNOD just keeps on innovating.

From books to digital learning, DUNOD successfully accompanies all employees from any types of companies on their training needs, targeting operational topics but also soft skills (creativity, self-confidence, stress and time management…) with a proven pedagogical approach.

In co-edition with this partner, we just launched a first course on Mindfulness at work. 2 others courses are already scheduled: Boost your creativity with Mind-Mapping and Being efficient at work in the digital age!

To celebrate this new partnership, we sat down with Eric Pommat, Director of Development.

Dunod is a 2 centuries-old publishing house. How do you think books and digital learning can – and must – cohabit in the lifelong training of people?

Today, our books already coexist with digital learning. Just as they already coexist with their ebooks versions or the corporate training products ecosystem – they’re part of it – such as instructor-led training or news conferences, the galaxy of free products such as YouTube videos, blogs, MOOCs and social learning; you can also find in this ecosystem more innovating pedagogical formats like reversed tutoring, peer-to-peer or learning expeditions…

These offerings coexist because they meet different needs and different ways of consumption. It’s really good news for learners to access this diversity of formats, we’re happy about that.

At Dunod, beside the product, we’re interested in the ways of content consumption and use cases. They evolve in corporate training, because of the abilities offered by the digital era, of the training needs which changed – today, we must learn everyday – and they are being facilitated by the progressive evolution of the sector’s reglementation.

Today, there are as many use cases as there are individuals! We don’t see the digital learning emergence as a threat to books because they are two different ways of consumption. On the contrary, we’re seeing that as a nice opportunity of development, coherent and pretty obvious for a publishing house like us: digital learning is a sector very close to publishing. Way closer to publishing than instructor-led training, for example! We have content, a vast network of experts, etc.

With its books, Dunod was already a major player in distance training… 2 centuries ago!

Why partnering with Coorpacademy to make the knowledge from your books being transmitted in a different way? How do you think this digitalized and gamified diffusion will bring value to the content?

What we really liked about Coorpacademy, before all things, is the concept of the platform: a homogeneous and innovating pedagogical format (inspired by reversed pedagogy), but also engaging (short content, with granularity and gamification), in phase with the market.

Coorpacademy also carries a clear promise to the users and an important editorialization of content, which is rare in the digital learning sector – it is in phase with our publishing house DNA. They took strategic bias in which we find ourselves: seek for quality regarding content, pedagogy, or motion design videos, for example.

We found in the courses Dunod by Coorpacademy a new, original way to spread our content by meeting new use cases, targeting new learners and new markets: BtoB, the English-speaking world for example.

And we also want to believe in the “Netflix-like” platforms models. This is in phase with innovation and the announced reform of corporate training.

Yes, Coorpacademy is ticking a lot of boxes.

Our first course on Mindfulness at work has just been released. Among the topics studied in the course, there are the identification of our “attention thieves”, the deconnexion to find a better connexion to what matters, or exercises to reinforce his/her attention. Can you talk to us about this course?

To create the course “Mindfulness at work”, we used the expertise of Nathalie Va, Laethem, who published with Dunod the Toolbox of Minduflness.

We’re now facing what we could call the economy of attention. Especially in this digital era. As Tristan Harris, Google ex-product philosopher, said, “Technology is hijacking our minds”.

As Cal Newport said in his book Deep Work, we work in an era where our attention is sought-after by a gang of engineers working for companies having a lot of money. Our attention is now a scarce and valuable resource, hijacked by the Silicon Valley giants.

In our professional lives – and the border between personal and professional is more and more blurry – we go from reading our emails to a WhatsApp message, before checking the Twitter news feed, and then our Facebook notifications…

We’re “grasped” and we lose connection with ourselves.

Mindfulness is a secular technique of personal development, which allows us to stop the automatic pilot for one moment, focus on oneself, focus on the present moment: our emotions, sensations, thoughts, what we are doing and the situation itself.

Scientific studies show that mindfulness decrease the level of cortisol in the body, which is the stress hormone!

When you’re practicing mindfulness, you have less tensions and are more calm, you open your perception field and it allows you to be more comprehensive of you and others.

The goal of this course is to discover the benefits of mindfulness and to do the exercises instantly, like remembering oneself.

Thank you Eric!

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